Posted by: johnhourihan | August 10, 2012

Romney/Obama: Liars?

In case you didn’t see this Associated Press fact check information in your local newspaper (It only appeared in some, but was also used on some TV programs) I thought I would post part of it here, since I have heard friends and relatives reiterating the lies both sides are spewing in the hopes that some people will believe them.
The first lie is one that cites a benefit (that Romney knows is a benefit), and calls it a drawback, (which he knows it is not.) It is important for those who would like to retire but can’t because they are afraid they will not be able to get health care if they do.

(AP) ROMNEY HAS SAID: “Obamacare is a job-killer.”
THE FACTS: The CBO estimated in 2010 that the law would reduce the amount of labor used in the economy by roughly half a percent.
But that’s mostly because the law will give many people the opportunity to retire, stay at home with family or switch to part-time work, since they will be able to get health insurance more easily outside of their jobs. That voluntary retreat from the workforce, made possible by the law’s benefits, is not the same as employers slashing jobs because of the law’s costs, as Romney implies.
The law’s penalties on employers who don’t provide health insurance might cause some companies to hire fewer low-wage workers or to hire more part-timers instead of full-time employees, the budget office said. But the main consequence would still be from more people choosing not to work.

ROMNEY HAS SAID: “Obamacare raises taxes on the American people by approximately $500 billion.”
THE FACTS: The tax increases fall heavily on upper-income people, health insurance companies, drug makers and medical device manufacturers.
People who fail to obtain health insurance as required by the law will face a “tax” penalty, although that’s expected to hit relatively few because the vast majority of Americans have insurance and many who don’t will end up getting it. Also, a 10 percent tax has been imposed on tanning bed use as part of the health care law. There are no other across-the-board tax increases in the law, although some tax benefits such as flexible savings accounts are scaled back. Of course, higher taxes on businesses can be passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices.
Individuals making over $200,000 and couples making over $250,000 will pay 0.9 percent more in Medicare payroll tax and a 3.8 percent tax on investments. As well, a tax starts in 2018 on high-value insurance plans.

OBAMA HAS SAID: “Because of the Affordable Care Act, young adults under the age of 26 are able to stay on their parents’ health care plans, a provision that’s already helped 6 million young Americans.”
THE FACTS: Obama is overstating this benefit of his health law, and his own administration knows better. The Department of Health and Human Services, in a June 19 news release, said 3.1 million young adults would be uninsured were it not for the new law. Obama’s number comes from a June 8 survey by the Commonwealth Fund, a health policy foundation. It said 6.6 million young adults joined or stayed on their parents’ health plans who wouldn’t have been able to absent the law. But that number includes some who switched to their parents’ plans from other coverage, Commonwealth Fund officials told the Los Angeles Times.

There are other fun facts that show how infantile this campaign has become. Not the least of all are the Super PAC attack ad against Romney and the Republican National Committee attack ad against the president.
We all know now that they are both lies: One implies that Mitt Romney was linked to essentially a murder by closing a steel plant, ending a woman‘s health care and that she subsequently died; and the other according to AP accused President Obama of “dropping work requirements” passed as part of President Bill Clinton’s 1996 welfare overhaul in favor of simply passing out checks.
“Under Obama’s plan, you wouldn’t have to work and wouldn’t have to train for a job,” the Romney ad says. “They just send you your welfare check.”
This one was declared false by no other than Newt Gingrich.
However, even when such ads are denounced or refuted many people have heard the ad but have not heard the denunciation or refutation and still believe they are true.
Then we take all these things we believe were supported by reputable men and make up our minds on how to vote.
Is this really what we want from those running for the highest office in the nation?
Do we really want two camps spending hundreds of millions of dollars to see who can lie, fool us and buy his way into the White House?
Let me put in my two cents: From a lifetime of following politics as part of my job as a wire editor and an opinion columnist for a major daily newspaper I see it this way.
Romney is an abject liar. He will continue to lie to us. He is a man who ran for governor of Massachusetts because he felt it was a more weighty stepping stone than being the governor of Utah. When he ran in Massachusetts he said he believed in anything he thought would get him elected. He now has changed his mind on nearly every important issue and again is saying anything he thinks will get him elected on a different stage. He has no respect for the people who support him, hence he lies to them constantly and will continue to if he is elected president. Do not believe him.
Obama is a liberal. Liberal is not an evil word if you really look at it. He believes in building the middle class and helping minorities and the poor by getting money from the those who can most afford it, (millionaires). The attack ads against Mitt Romney came from a Super Pac. The one against the president came from the Republican National Committee.
Romney has a say in what is printed by the Republican National Committee. The president, by law, technically, has no power over what a Super Pac prints. Although it appears to me that he believes he is doing what is necessary to remain as the president by fighting fire with fire.
I think they are both wrong.
But for my money, go with Obama. He is less likely to lie to us when it really counts.



  1. Thanks John,I didn’t see this in my newspaper,and had I seen it I don’t think I would have made it thru. Thanks for helping me get to the last line.

  2. I think that we all have mixed views on the policies that they pass. I just hope that they turn out to be great or that the people who are responsible for it will change and do something about it.

    • I think you have hit on the most important part. We voters just seem to choose the one who seems most genuine to us and hope that he or she is better than his or her press.

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